Hold your horses! You only joined this Wiki something like two months ago, and have only 63 edits to your name. Someday there's no reason you couldn't become an administrator, but this is way too early to even think about it. Prove yourself first.
As for Thomas & Friends, never watched it, so no opinion at all there. Seems friendly enough, I suppose.
Did you know that then Walt Disney loved Italy, and therefore is the trusted foreign state of the homonymous production company? In fact, Walt Disney Company Italy is the first foreign branch in the world, with the best dubbing in the world for film and distribution, not to mention the longest comic strip in the world, then, isn't it?
I saw your summary on your edit of Biography of Donald Duck and was wondering if by "Three Caballeros" you meant The Legend of the Three Caballeros or the original The Three Caballeros film? Stopping around there is alright by me, but I did kind of think we would mention Christmas on Bear Mountain and maybe even Fethry's return into Donald's life with that Strobl story where Fethry visits Donald for the first time in years the name of which I cannot remember but I think was published shortly after The Health Nut. I know that including every detail of Donald's life past about 1945 would probably be ridiculous and make the biography much to big, but I had thought we could at least include mentions of important factoids like his reunion with Scrooge or his reunion with Fethry. What do you think, and which Three Caballeros were you referring to?
I meant the original film; I'm still not quite sure where we're placing Legends, but it's definitely before 1943. (1937? This would require us to move Aquarelo do Brasil backwards if it is to stand as Donald and José's canonical first meeting, but it is the only way I see to make sense of Rosa's statement that Donald's adventure with the Cabs predates HDL's coming to live with him in one of his Caballeros stories.)
You're right that a few scattered bits-and-pieces from post-1943 would not go amiss, perhaps as their own section after "Early Adulthood" — "Later Life"?
I have no ideas for the chronological placement of Legend of the Three Caballeros. Any sort of fix would require contradicting the "it takes place when it was released" rule, I believe. I guess in cases like this, it is best to look for any years officially given. We can say almost definitively that Huey, Dewey, and Louie were in Donald's care by 1941, since Donald listed them as his dependents on the last day of the year for his 1941 income tax returns. That's the only in-universe hint I know of as to when HDL came to live with Donald or when Legend of the Three Caballeros took place.
We could try to take the fact that Donald was born on March 13 and use that to find a year with a Friday, March the 13th in which The Legend of the Three Caballeros could have reasonably taken place. Our best candidate there is 1936. 1936 had a Friday, March the 13th. 1936 is after Donald started living alone (circa 1934(?) based on the "it takes place when it was released" rule). It's also before the time HDL would've come to live with Donald, assuming they didn't come to live with him before 1937. I don't if this solution is satisfactory to you, though, since I believe you said some time back that you don't put much stock in arguments based on real-world calendars and whatnot.
You're right, I don't really. Calendars can I suppose be evidence when trying to place an event that doesn't have any set placement yet (i.e. an event in Scrooge's past that could slot in just about anywhen), but I don't think they should overrule authorial intent; and authorial intent is what the "it takes place when it was wirtten" rule is about, you understand. The makers of The Three Caballeros obviously didn't mean for it to be a period piece taking place a decade in the past, but rather a 'present-day' story from their perspective, so it ought to be in 1944 unless there are very strong reasons otherwise.
In such timeline theorizing, I think it's best to try to minimize the number of stories that need reshuffling, so I'd rather keep Donald's Nephews in 1937 and The Three Caballeros in 1944, with only Legends (and, inasmuch as it counts, Saludos Amigos) to contend with. Whether Donald is dating Daisy will be overlooked for the purposes of this reasoning because it's a crazily on-and-off relationship with fits and starts; we've got recorded "first meetings" from toddler years all the way to the 1940's.
On this basis, my proposed timeline goes:
1934: Donald has set himself up in a barge-home (as per both Wise Little Hens) somewhere on Grandma's land (as per Lost Down Memory Lane).
1935 onwards: Donald is truly living on his own, and spends some time traveling the world (as per The Odyssey). At some point this takes him to Brazil where he meets an enthusiastic fan of his named José Carioca (as loosely shown in Saludos Amigos). He occasionally returns to the U.S.A. during this period; instances in Gottfredson of a Donald who lives in Mouseton around this era are likely him crashing at Mickey's place in-between two trips.
1936: A young Donald gets a house of his own in Duckburg (as per From Egg to Duck). It burns down (in Dope-A-Cabana) and the whole Legend series takes place.
1937: Likely off some more adventures with the Cabs, Donald is in Mexico for Don Donald where he he has his love affair with Donna. Once she breaks up with him, he returns to Duckburg and gets his house repaired in time for HDL to come to live with him (the bulk of his Caballeros adventures havethus been "prior to their coming to live with him" as per Rosa).
1940: Reunited with Daisy, Donald starts dating her on a regular basis, hence the Taliaferro strips and Mr Duck Steps Out (these probably take place in the reverse order of their release, but moving around months within a single year is okay by me). At some point around then, the framing device of The Odyssey takes place.
1944: José shows up for Donald's birthday, and during the unexpected trip they take to celebrate, they meet up with Panchito. 3cabs seems to open after Donald's birthday celebration, so it's not surprising HDL aren't there.
Seems pretty solid, though I think it's worth noting Donald and Mickey were frequent co-stars in cartoons up through 1942, so while he may have temporarily lived in Duckburg and New Quackmore in 1936 (as per The Legend of the Three Caballeros), I think he also had a home somewhere near Mickey around this time. Also, your idea about Donald crashing at Mickey's place seems to be contradicted by this 1935 strip which clearly shows Donald living separately from Mickey and living in Hometown.
Where do you think we should add Donald's acting days in? In The New Spirit, which takes place in early 1942, before the income tax returns for 1941 would have been due, Donald states that he is an actor and lives at 1313 Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood, Los Angeles, California. He also lived in Hollywood in HDL's debut strip. Also, The Goofy Success Story shows that Moving Day (1936) is a film in-universe, apparently the first film Goofy acted in. Since Donald was in that, he must have been an actor by 1936. The question would then be if he was living in Hollywood by 1936 or not and how this fits in with his other activties. Still, it seems to me that, while he may have embarked on globe-trotting adventures and had homes other places as well, he likely maintained a home in Hollywood from circa 1936 to 1941, probably not permanently moving to Duckburg until later.
He may not have even permanently moved to Duckburg until after World War II. Many shorts showed he served in the Army during World War II. From Egg to Duck arguably retcons this away, but in The Icebox Robber, he seems to be having WWII flashbacks at one point (if I understand correctly) talking about a minefield and "Jap ambush". Also, This Is Your life, Donald Duck (cartoon), clearly shows that Donald Gets Drafted and Sky Trooper really happened. All of this leads me to believe that he really did serve in WWII. The Army may have asked him to participate in propaganda films due to his acting experience, but I think his service included more than just propaganda films. Anyway, what I'm saying is that he may not have permanently moved to Duckburg until after the war and when his enlistment expired, though it wouldn't surprise me if there's evidence to the contrary.
In my personal headcanon, The Legend of the Three Caballeros takes place in the early 2000's and is in continuity with DuckTales Classic and Quack Pack, so I agree with you that it doesn't really belong in the 1930's. Still, according to this Wiki's policy, unless there is an official statement declaring otherwise, Legend is a part of the Prime Universe. Since it portrays Donald meeting Panchito for the first time, it must take place before other Donald and Panchito stories. Don Rosa wrote a couple of Three Caballeros stories, and he has said many times that he places stories in the 1950's. Thus, The Legend of the Three Caballeros must at least take place in the 1950's. Once you add in the "it all takes place when it was released" rule that this Wiki uses, and it's clear that, despite the technology not matching, The Legend of the Three Caballeros must be pushed back pretty far on the timeline. Otherwise, it would require pushing The Three Caballeros and pretty much every story featuring Huey, Dewey, and Louie further up the timeline, making a mess of everything.
TheMidgetMoose wrote: Seems pretty solid, though I think it's worth noting Donald and Mickey were frequent co-stars in cartoons up through 1942, so while he may have temporarily lived in Duckburg and New Quackmore in 1936 (as per The Legend of the Three Caballeros), I think he also had a home somewhere near Mickey around this time.
Well, remember that despite Gottfredson-purists' speculation otherwise on the Feathery Society lately, Mouseton and Duckburg are firmly established to be neighboring, nigh-twin cities in Italian comics. It's about as easy for Donald to go from Duckburg to Mouseton as to go from one neighborhood of Duckburg to the other; indeed, perhaps New Quackmore is located between Duckburg city centre and Mouseton, putting Donald's Legends-era home even closer to Mickey's.
TheMidgetMoose wrote: Also, your idea about Donald crashing at Mickey's place seems to be contradicted by this 1935 strip which clearly shows Donald living separately from Mickey and living in Hometown.
Oh, okay. Too bad. It was just a random thoughtt.
He also lived in Hollywood in HDL's debut strip.
Tut-tut. Della addressed the letter to Hollywood, but it could be that this was because it was the only address of her brother's that she knew, and the letter was forwarded from his place in Hollywood to his current home (whether in Mouseton/Hometown, Duckburg or elsewhere).
He may not have even permanently moved to Duckburg until after World War II.
I'm not sure I entirely follow your line of argument. Yes, despite From Egg To Duck’s attempted retcon, we do hold that Donald served in World War II — in general, when a cartoon is later retconned to have only been an in-universe film in which the character acted, we hold that both are true: the story broadly happened, and then a semi-biographical movie got made out of it, similar to how The Man Who Drew Ducks holds that the in-universe Carl Barks's comics are fairly accurate renditions of real events, allowing Back to the Klondike and such to exist within a world where it actually happened.
…but what the heck does that have to do with when Donald moved to Duckburg?
Can Legend of the Three Caballeros really take place in the 1930's? I remember seeing some pretty modern technology in it. Perhaps it can be its own continuity?
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Like Moose said, we don't start inventing alternate continuities unless there's really no other way and/or the creators explicitly call it a reboot. In Legend’s case, until I see hard evidence otherwise, it seems to me like they're more or less telling new stories about the classic characters, not attempting to craft a whole new universe; note for instance Scrooge in the finale, who's just there without needing any introduction. They simply went with the "sliding timeline" way of writing; yes, there are cellphones, but it's the same problem as the occasional comic story where Scrooge refers to "fifty years ago in the Klondike" while HDL are using cellphones. What we do is we just ignore the cellphones/assume it's Gyro Gearloose technology/something-or-other.
My point regarding the war stuff is that he seems to have lived in Hollywood around this time (as per From Egg to Duck and The New Spirit) and undoubtedly spent some time overseas (as per Commando Duck). I guess I'm just saying that it's hard to imagine he also lived in Duckburg this era. It's possible, but it all feels complicated. Of course, it just occurred to me that the first story to mention Duckburg was released in 1944, right? That would contradict my hypothesis that he didn't move to Duckburg until post-World War II.
I'm hoping to get to creating some pages on songs that already have redlinks soon, and I was wondering if it is allowed to have the full song in the infobox. I don't want to make the same mistake I did with the shorts. If the song is not allowed, what should be the image in the infobox? It's just hard to think of a good picture that fits with every shot. Maybe a still from the scene in which it appears would work, but I don't know for sure.
The song's allowed; it is at the end of the day just a clip from the movie or audio story in which it originates, and besides, unlike full films (where Disney makes at least a token effort to keep them off the free web), it is overwhelmingly clear that they knowingly tolerate the various illegal uploads of Poor Unfortunate Souls or whatever.
Note that some of the more notorious Disney songs have in fact been uploaded by some of the official Disney YouTube channels; obviously, when that's the case, go with that rather than a bootleg unless there's a very good reason otherwise.
Very very sorry about that! I completely understand that it's unacceptable. I was under the wrong impression due to this. I see now that I must have misinterpreted your message, and I apologize if I've caused any trouble for this Wiki in regards to copyright issues or whatnot.
Hey there, just passing through to check out this wiki -- it's very well-developed! If you ever want a place to chit chat with some other friendly Tardis Wiki editors, I encourage you to join https://discord.gg/doctorwho and ping me ( @NateBumber ) so I can give you access to the Wiki channel. Looking forward to talking with you there!
So...how do you think we should tackle the MASSIVE cast of characters who appear in the episode? I mean, there are thirty-one actors listed as part of the cast, several of them with multiple roles, and that doesn't even cover the number of characters who made silent cameos.
We've dealt with giant-cast stories before; consider 70th Heaven. In short, all non-main characters are relegated to a specific paragraph in the lead in smaller font. The infobox/cast poses no problem, as there is no pressure for the entire voice cast to be in the Infobox; the field is called "Main cast", so that would basically mean the Ducks, Lunaris, Glomgold, and at a stretch Penumbra and Darkwing.
It doesn't matter a whole lot to me either way, but I'm curious as to why you replaced Bleachjt's picture for Phooey Duck (2017 Continuum). Both images are nearly the same. The only major difference is coloring and the fact that your image is wider. I mean no offense to you personally at all by this, but I actually thought the coloring in Bleachjt's looked better, as the inside of the beak including the tongue is actually visible and not just black and he has more of a natural, off-white look to him.
Like I said, I don't care too much either way, I'm just curious. I also mean no offense to you personally regarding my personal perference of Bleachjt's picture. I'm just curious as to why you prefer the picture you uploaded.
Thanks in advance!
P.S. There's also some stuff going on in the Discuss area you might want to look at. Nothing super major, just someone mad/heartbroken about having their posts locked. I guess either you or Drleevezan probably need to address it.
Concerning Phooey, wider aspect ratios are to be preferred forcharacter images, which was the main impetus behind my editing the image. While I was at it I also boosted the contrast to try and get rid of the "screenshot effect" that made the original slightly blurry, his white feathers more beige, and the lines that should be black greenish. I hadn't noticed the problem with the tongue, though. I'll see what I can do.
As for "Plot" vs. "Description", no, there's no particular rule over which one to use for unofficial works. Best go with "plot".